As the widest ski in the Wingman series, the Wingman 86 CTi is the bridge to the Ripstick collection. It’s designed more for precision, responsiveness, and power. 17.3. I personally own an Enforcer 88 for here in Vermont, and it’s a great ski with almost endless performance. I don’t think you’ll get the same shaky feeling like you got in the Pinnacle, as the K2 has a longer tip rocker profile that does make it flutter a bit. SE. Thanks a lot for the explanation. 86 Ti / 86 CTi pair of models similar to the pair with a waist 82. Come into our Polaris Parkway ski shop in Northern Columbus or call for our real ski prices. The Wingman has the most on-piste capabilities as it’s shaped more like a wider race ski versus a narrower freeride ski like the Brahma/Enforcer which basically share the dimensions and build with their wider brethren. Hi Gerald! The result is a delightful carver that is comfortable in moguls, steeps, and beyond. Nordica Enforcer 94. Underfoot it’s about the same, while the shovel of the Enforcer/Bonafide are generally a bit more flexible due to the freeride influence of the skis. 2. I was impressed with the Elan’s need for speed–it really kept wanting to go faster and faster. The Wingman 86 CTi combines the best elements of the brand’s carving-specific Amphibio lines with the all-mountain prowess of the better-known Ripsticks. If so you guys need to shorter sizes. Take care! That makes it less fatiguing, and also makes it feel a little quicker on your feet. Not sure if the Brahma/Liberty would be any better for your application. Thanks for the kudos, have fun! As the widest ski in the Wingman series, the Wingman 86 CTi is the bridge to the Ripstick collection. Wide enough for versatility, but very strong carvers. Hope that helps! Marcus did mention that it’s the type of ski that likes skier input, not a ski you can just ride. Note that Elan offers two versions of the Wingman 86: a "CTi" (green) version reviewed here and a "Ti" (orange) version, less rigid, not reviewed. All will work great for us heavier advanced skiers. If you’re a larger or more aggressive skier, I’d go with the Wingman. If you’re looking for the next size up, you might have to go with a wider model, but still in this general category. It’s the same build, just in a narrower shape, so you can expect the same overall feel, just with a wider platform in the 86, which I’d assume will be better for your application. Join Active Pass to get Ski magazine, access to exclusive content, thousands of training plans, and more. I was very surprised with how stiff and stable the CTI was, and how it really needed/wanted to go really, really fast. Built to enhance the energy of the all-mountain skier in any conditions, the men's Elan Wingman 86 CTi skis tackle off-piste terrain with powerful carving capability. Elan’s construction results in a ski that feels a little lighter than the traditional sandwich construction ski with two sheets of metal. Hi Ned! Best for Groomers: Elan Wingman 86 CTi Carbon-fiber tubes keep these skis lively: Add pressure and they rebound with a snap. Your email address will not be published. Both have a Titanal plate, which is why the letters “Ti” appear in the names. The frame bindings like the Baron have a different sort of problem. Very las question, despite are heavier, what is you opinion about the Baron? On your list, I think the Kendo makes the most sense. Thx ken, Hi Ken! The 2021 Ripstick is a bit stiffer which is better for hard snow, but I don’t think it gained much crud compliance. The built-up inside portions of the ski make for better edge grip while the outer parts are more flexible for easier initiation. Looking at the Elan Swingman 82 (TI or CTI), 86 (TI or CTI), Elan V-Shape, Volkl Deacon (74 or higher) or Rossignol Experience (84 or 88). The CTI version is one of the stiffer skis and likes to go fast. SE, Your email address will not be published. This ski is great but not good in icy conditions, so I am looking at converting these skis to backcountry skis and looking at the 176 cm Elan wingman 86 CTI or recommendations. I am thinking in the Wingman 86 CTI 172 as mainly a resort ski but some sporadic touring use. You’ve got a great list–all great skis. With a ski like the Wingman versus a softer, less precise touring-specific ski, that lag makes more of a difference. Rossignol Sender Ti. I am looking for a stable ski at speed that is also very playful. In Depth Staff Reviews: Our Take On The 2021 Elan Wingman 86 CTI: Coming back unchanged for 2020-2021 is the Wingman 86 CTi. Have fun! You guys have my dream job. The clue's in the name. Apparently includes low-Ti lavas which are probably felsic. Thank you! 17.2. The Wingman 86 CTI is one of two widest skis in the collection and it’s packed full of technology and innovative design elements. Both very sturdy skis, but the Stockli really checks a lot of boxes for versatile front side carver. Im looking for a firm snow ski to add to my quiver (rarely do we have firm snow here, but I always find it when I leave home). Elan Wingman 86 CTI 2020. I like to mix up my turn shapes and I love a ski that has snap out of a turn. HI Jan! What length do you advise? Im 5’10” 195 lbs. BEST SKI. I would think, if anything, the CTI would be slightly less stiff than AR given the relative construction, and the CTI may be slightly more versatile, less of a race-ski feel. Built for the advanced to expert level skier looking for a dynamic ski to crush groomers in the early morning light or explore off piste, The Elan Wingman 86 CTi is a perfect choice for any terrain. In it, we give reviews of our favorite ski gear, provide information about the latest ski technology, discuss the latest news in the ski industry, and so much more. Timid intermediates would likely find it’s a bit much. Trauma Institute & Child Trauma Institute 285 Prospect St. Northampton, MA, 01060, USA Please note that this is our mailing address, not the location in which we provide treatment or training. The Elan Wingman 86 Ti are asymmetric skis, in other words there is a left and right ski, with a difference in their rigidity depending on the sides. Great edge hold, fast and stable.”, STRENGTHS: Hard-Snow Integrity, Stability at Speed, WEAKNESSES: Forgiveness, Crud Performance, Shop Elan Wingman 86 CTi Skis: Skis.com | Amazon, See all of 2021’s Best Frontside Skis for Men. It makes skis a lot more twitchy, which would actually be better for a ski like the Wingman versus the softer and fatter touring skis. Did you had the chance to try the TI version also (the orange one)? This is the perfect ski for athletes who want to carve and push hard. © 2021 Pocket Outdoor Media Inc. All Rights Reserved. Both great choices for on-trail performance! The Wingman is stable enough to handle strong experts, but can also help intermediates learn how to carve and break through on all terrain. Discriminants for mantle melting array vs. arc basalts. Elan's Wingman 86 CTi blends the finesse to tackle off-piste terrain with powerful carving capability, making it your ultimate mountain companion. The Wingman 86 CTI is therefore a success. I’m trying to figure out how these stack up against the Ripstick 88 for a west coast on piste quiver ski. Competitors include the Volkl Deacon 84 and the Fischer RC One GT 86. Der Skihersteller Elan aus Slowenien ist immer für eine Überraschung gut. Brett, Men's Intermediate . SE. The Wingman is certainly more business-like, as I found it to have no speed limit–in fact, I had a harder time keeping it slow. It’s also a little lighter and less fatiguing than those skis over the course of a long day, which is a valuable characteristic. BEST SKI. 650. Gender. Length Range. Do they have same performance disadvantage in downhill mode like the Shift? The Wingman 86 CTi blends the finesse to tackle off-piste terrain with powerful carving capability, making it your ultimate mountain companion. The clue's in the name. The Wingman 86 CTi combines the best elements of the brand’s carving-specific Amphibio lines with the all-mountain prowess of the better-known Ripsticks. 399.99. advanced intermediate and looking for a rather fast ski which works on groomers and crud, without being overly demanding (in the afternoon). Aggressive and playful. Rossignol Hero Elite ST TI R22 2020. Like Kelby, Marcus thought it would be best for advanced to expert level skiers. SE. Pearce, 1982. Do not ski them the wrong way around, they don’t work – … The Wingman has way more of an on-piste personality than the other skis on your list, but if that’s what you’re looking for, it’s also the strongest option. Advanced to expert level skier. Hi guys. What a ripper. Ive watched your most recent youtube review and still cant make up my mind. Hi Frank! HI Terry! We did not get a chance to ski the Ti version, but if it’s a little less demanding than the CTI, then I’d think that’s a good thing. You can’t go wrong with any of them, but you’ll likely go wrong the least with the Kendo. Elan Wingman 86 CTi The 2021 Elan Wingman CTi Men’s Frontside Ski Photo courtesy of Elan. It’s just more moving parts, so there’s naturally going to be a bit of a lag in energy. Der Skihersteller Elan aus Slowenien ist immer für eine Überraschung gut. Not quite the alpine performance out of those bindings, so just make sure you’re touring enough to warrant the tradeoff. Fantastic frontside ski with a high-speed limit. Check out the Volkl Kanjo, Rossignol Experience 84 and the Salomon QST 85–all easy-going skis with a higher-performance ceiling. Does the 86CTI have a higher speed limit? You’re answering your own questions pretty well! We were eager to have it tested by a team of professionals on snow in a side-by-side test with the other big names in the industry. I was looking for an alternative ski and was thinking of the Wingman CTI or TI. You keep referring to the ski being stiff, but how does it stack up to a similarly sized Enforcer, Bonafide, etc… skis with dual metal that in my experience like to rail all the time? The Elan Wingman 82 CTI's full retail price is €849.95. BTW, you and Blister are our benchmark for ski reviews. Elan Wingman 82 CTI Skis 2020 Sold Out $750.00. BEST SKI. The all-new 2020 Elan Wingman 86 CTI skis with bindings are an awesome killer deal for advanced and expert skiers who love to rip fast turns all over the mountain. Pearce, 1983. Gender. Ski Packages include skis, bindings, poles, binding installation and tune up with iron on wax and Free Shipping. I’m considering wingmen 86, would i need cti or for my weight, will ti be enough? It’s a pretty stiff ski, so it’s not big on subtleties. The Wingman will want to hold you to the radius while the Brahma is a bit more compliant when it comes to different turn shapes. Men's Freeride touring . Thanks for all the great reviews and info. SE. SE, Need an advice, I am185lbs, 6’2” intermediate + level , like faster runs in Northeast (NH, MA, Canada), looking for my first good carving skis. Elan Wingman 82 CTI Skis 2020. The best way is to have two setups, but if that’s not possible, this setup will work fine. Is one more serious and one more fun? Nice smooth turns and quick edge to edge.”. At ~85 underfoot, you’ll have a good amount of edge grip but also some versatility built in. I have a pair of Atomic Bent Chetler and a pair of Blizzard Bonafides skis skiing in the Pacific Northwest. Or to pose the question in a more extreme way: can you, for training purposes, ski them on one ski at a time and make both left and right turns on that single ski (without it being more unwieldy than usual)? I read in some places that Shift provides same energy transfer and efficiency that a regular alpine bindings. I owned Volkl ac30 177cm, Hi Pavel! It’s not like the 88 is a bad on-piste ski, either–just that heavier skiers might find them too soft at speed. Take care! Waist Width. Skilled skiers will enjoy both relaxed cruising and pushing the ski to its limit. The top of the latter ladder is the Wingman 82 Cti, a strong ski with such a gentle disposition we classified as a Finesse model. Would you agree with this and would you include this ski as a consideration for stable at speed yet playful (for a heavier advanced skier)? 17.2. Elan Wingman 82 CTi Skis 2021. I skied the Enforcer 88 this morning and loved it! Elan Wingman 82 Ti Skis 2021. Thanks for the kind words! One of the amazing things about the AR is its versatility, especially given its strong carving power. Based on the TNT Technology that originated with the off-trail Ripstick series, the Wingman 82 Cti … Hope that helps! Sure! SE. Dimensions: 127/86/113 Lengths: 160, 166, 172, 178, 184 Technology: TruLine Technology, Mono Ti, SST Sidewall, Laminated Woodcore, Carbon Rods; About Elan Elan is a dedicated ski manufacturer in the Slovenian Alps with more than 70 years of experience building the best skis in the world for friends and families who live the skiing … Ti vs. Cr discriminant for ocean floor basalts vs. low-K arc tholeiites. Thanks. Women's All-mountain . The 2021 Elan Wingman CTi Men’s Frontside Ski Photo courtesy of Elan. I skied the 170cm Elan Porsche in Livigno and it did well in all the conditions I could find on and off piste, HI John! Aspen Ski and Board specializes in ski packages.Our new ski prices are so low we can't post them on our own website. Pearce, 1981. Kelby Furrer admitted that he doesn’t often ski anything like the Wingman 86 CTI. New gear, resort reviews, athlete interviews, and more. ELAN WINGMAN 86 CTI. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Have fun! SE. They're impossibly light and fast, and for a front side/all-mountain hybrid ski, there's a ton of versatility built right in. More rocker is found along the outside edge of the ski and more camber along the inside edge, which boosts edge grip when in an aggressive carve and makes turn initiation easy, and easy in a variety of snow conditions for that matter. Marcus thought it loved “medium to long turns” on firm snow and actually thought it was “able to maneuver well through the woods and bumps.” That type of terrain isn’t a focus of the Wingman, but we know there will be skiers like Marcus who take it off-piste from time to time. What would you suggest I skii more mid intermediate , and something I can improve in powder and moguls on too. 649.99. I am 6‘4 188 lbs. Hi Mike! Create a personalized feed and bookmark your favorites. I know I’m a bit all over the place, please help! Also, does the 2021 Ripstick 88 do better at speed and handle crud better? Outwardly, there is nothing global about skiing, which is not surprising because they are new at the level of technology and materials, and not in essence. Have fun! 17.9. Elan Wingman 82 Ti Skis 2021. As the widest ski in the Wingman series, the Wingman 86 CTi is the bridge to the Ripstick collection. The system is heavier and reduces versatility, while the flat is stiff and snappy. The Wingman 86 CTi combines the best elements of the brand’s carving-specific Amphibio lines with the all-mountain prowess of the better-known Ripsticks. Brett, The flat tail of the Elan combined with the minimal tail rocker make it stiffer coming out of the turn as well. Have fun! The Ti was a bit more flexible if you wanted to take it in trees, bumps, or other tighter spots. Wide enough to explore off piste, but crushes groomers from early morning light to afternoon bumps. K2 Konic 76 2020. SE. Length Range. Note: Elan offers two versions of the Wingman 86: the CTi version (in green), which is the one we tested, and a Ti version (in orange), which we did not test, and which is less stiff. Have fun! Lol. For me that immediate click was the Ripstick 96. Cesar, 599.99. Waist Width. Talk to a Skier: For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Hope that helps! Lots of high scores from Marcus, in fact every criterion received 4.5 out of 5 with the exception of flotation. 600. Watch out Brahma/Kendo!” Those are two of those heavy-hitters we were thinking of in this mid-upper-80 mm category. This is emerging as somewhat of a new segment, the mid-80 mm underfoot carving ski, and we were excited to see how it compared to some of the heavy-hitters of the category. Our Take On The 2021 Elan Wingman 86 TI: Capable of making the perfect turn across all terrain and speeds, the Wingman 86 Ti with Amphibio Truline features strategic placement of materials to be strong, stable and smooth through every turn. 3. That, and the stability from fiberglass, made for … Do you recommend me this set up? How much on-piste performance are you sacrificing if you went with the Ripstick 88 rather than Wingman 86 TI? I’d imagine the Ti version will be better for anyone who wants a bit more forgiving of a ski, especially if they’ve skied the CTI version. I’m 5ft7, 160 lbs and 48 and i think advanced/expert skier. Looking for Some Guidance? The Wingman is new this season with a truly unique shape featuring Elan's Amphibio Rocker, enhancing all-mountain ripping energy in any conditions. We included it in the Proskilab test thinking that the ski perfectly fulfilled the criteria of this category. Stöckli Stormrider 85 Motion 2020. I’d say the K2 and Volkl (surprisingly) are the two most playful while still retaining some serious groomer chops. It’s almost there–I think the Brahma is the least playful of these skis and prefers higher speeds for energy. How does it compare to the CTI? Men's All-Mountain . SE. I skied the Pinnacle 88 in 184 for a day and it felt a bit short and shaky. Elan Wildcat 86 CX Skis 2021. BEST SKI. I’d rather see a Shift on any ski versus the Baron at the end of the day. As such, the transitions between turns is somewhat somewhat seamless–very smooth. The Wingman 86 CTi blends the finesse to tackle off-piste terrain with powerful carving capability, making it your ultimate mountain companion. Can you list a few differences between the 3? Bob “loved the stiffness and stability! SE, I am 5-8 200lbs. Hi Simon! SE. Should I go carbon or stay titanium? The Ski costs roughly €270 more than the average price of all All Mountain Skis, making it a real luxury Ski. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. All are smooth, strong, and stable. 4. I have read that the Brahma lies somewhere in between the Enforcer and the Kendo. SE. Gender. Thanks, what are your concerns on downhill performance? It’s stiff and stable enough for high speed, aggressive skiing, but is a little more versatile than some of the competitors in this category. Thoughts? Hi Tomas! SE. I’d say Ti would be enough–the CTi is quite stiff. Adaptable, versatile, ex-competitive mogul skier and coach, Aggressive freeride with freestyle background. Read Our Review. Thx. The Wingman 86 CTI is definitely a contender in this mid-80 mm frontside carving ski category. The lowest scores from Bob were for flotation and forgiveness, which isn’t tremendously surprising. ... Elan Wingman 86 CTi Skis 2021 w/bindings $899.99 $1,200.00. Have fun! How would you compare the 86 CTI to the Laser AR? Would the Wingman be a good option to complete my quiver? You could check out the Wingman 82 CTI if you’re interested in that ski–more precise for sure with the narrower waist. That said, the Brahma 82, being the narrowest ski on your list, will have some excellent hard-snow and quick turning capabilities. I’m looking for something narrower and I like what I read about the brahma 82, enforcer 88 and the wingman 86 cti. SE. I’m 6/2 220 and I have been skiing on the Nordica Enforcer 88 for a few weeks in the 186 and love it. BEST SKI. Hi Cesar! Diesmal heißt sie Wingman 86 CTi. Elan uses their Tubelite wood core with carbon rods and unique titanal application that corresponds with the ski’s asymmetrical rocker shape. Will i be able to go off piste? The Elan Wingman series is new for 2020 and is designed to provide frontside performance with some all-mountain versatility as well. Chairlift Chat is the official blog of Skiessentials.com. Stiff tail locks you in the turn. Elan Wildcat 82 CX Skis 2021 w/bindings. Have fun! SE. Waist Width. Zr - Ti discriminant for MORB, within-plate, and arc lavas. One last question. SE, In looking to upgrade this year 175 lbs 5’10” looking for a front side groomer all round skii that’s comfortable and easy I am looking at the Wingman CTI in 184, Kendo 184 and K2 Minbender 90 (also looked at the Brahma 88, but I am afraid that at my age, 44, it May be too tiring). The Wingman 86 CTI is definitely a contender in this mid-80 mm frontside carving ski category. The Ripstick was kind of the opposite, with fantastic slow-speed compliance but some tip wobble at high speeds. Elan Wingman 86 CTi Skis 2021. From a hand-flexing perspective, the Wingman is stiffer. Check it out! But it’s more pigeon-holed to railing carvers all day, where it excels. SE. So if you’re looking for true carving performance and not a whole lot else, I’d steer you to the Wingman. Similar skis include the Volkl Deacon 84, Head Supershape Titan, and Fischer RC One 86 GT. Have fun! I like the forgiveness and fun factor of the Ripstick 88 but will be spending most of my time on piste so dont want to give up TOO much on piste performance. So fun! Armada Declivity 92 Ti. I am 145 pounds, 5´7” skiing for almost 30 years. Is the 88 more versatile all around? The shape is symmetrical, it’s the profile and construction that’s different. At 86 mm underfoot, it’s on the wider side for a frontside ski, but the narrower side for an all-mountain ski. Völkl Mantra V.Werks 2020. “Skiers will really appreciate this ski if they keep it on edge. I’m a 215lbs advanced intermediate, ski the Northeast and often find myself going very fast with friends. Wide enough to explore off piste, but crushes groomers from early morning light to afternoon bumps. The width and the amphibio rocker profile do make the 86 smoother on the rough stuff, but I’d almost take the Stockli for an all-mountain ski over the slightly wider CTi. I live in the interior of BC, Canada. He mentioned that it feels relatively unforgiving, but forgiveness really isn’t a goal of the Wingman 86 CTI. Kelby did really enjoy the asymmetrical design, but felt that given its unforgiving feel, it’s really best for advanced skiers and up. Length Range. Ski Style: Adaptable, versatile, ex-competitive mogul skier and coach, Ski Style: Powerful, but playful with the terrain, Ski Style: Awesome blend of speed and style, Ski Style: Aggressive freeride with freestyle background. I’ve been skiing in european alps all life. The Kendo is a good comparison with that ski as the Volkl is lighter and does perform well at slower speeds, meaning it’s not as tiring. SE. The Elan Wingman 86 CTI made a strong impression during the pre-tests in January 2019. 17.5. Wingman 86Cti. It’s stiff and stable enough for high speed, aggressive skiing, but is a little more versatile than some of the competitors in this category. It’s amazingly stable, but not as light or maneuverable as the 88. Elan has been quietly raising the bar in the frontside performance category over the past few years. The Kendo and Enforcer are smoother operators at slower speeds. The Wingman is an interesting option–it comes both in a flat version as well as with a system binding, so you have a choice within a choice. The Enforcer is a bit heavier, but the stability and snap are off the charts. What do you think? Bob St.Pierre skied the 184 cm length and his initial comment was “very fast!” He scored it 5 out of 5 for both stability and torsional stiffness/edge grip, both key attributes to a high-performance carving ski. You can definitely feel the difference riding an inside edge versus an outside edge.”, Marcus Shakun really enjoyed his time on the 184 cm Wingman 86 CTI. But, if you’re looking for on-piste performance only, the Wingman is pretty sweet. A "do-it-all ski", intuitive, easy and playful, comfortable in all circumstances that we highly recommend to intermediate skiers up to excellent skiers. Thanks! Elan’s construction results in a ski that feels a little lighter than the traditional sandwich construction ski with two sheets of metal. Overall, we’re impressed, and we’re impressed with the bulk of Elan’s offerings for 2020 as well. Thx. Titanal is more comfortable and elastic, reinforced with carbon, more tenacious on hard snow. DIN is not a problem for me since I am 145 pounds. Elan Wingman 86 Ti Skis 2021 w/bindings $749.99 $1,000.00. I have tried the Wingman 82 last spring. But a little faster. I am 5’11” and 170lbs and am considered an intermediate/advanced skier. We test a lot of awesome skis and sometimes it takes a run-or-two to actually figure out a particular ski’s sweet spot/balance point… and sometimes it just clicks immediately. Very interesting technology. The CTI seems a little too demanding and unforgiving for me. I’m a bit heavier than you and have skied and liked all of these skis. Hi Cesar! I think you’d have to be a pretty experienced and aggressive skier to get the Wingman to be more than a carver, as its stiffness and shape lend to on-trail performance mostly. The Elan Wingman 86 CTI's full retail price is €949.95. “The asymmetrical edges were fun to feel laying down a hard carve. THE TEST LONG TERM TEST QUESTIONS YOUR OPINION. For snappiest performance, I think the Wingman is the way to go, but you’re really not going to go wrong with any of these for your application. Elan Ripstick 96. My current firm snow ski is the atomic crimson ti with the carbon tank mesh in 178cm (88mm waist I believe). Required fields are marked *. Holmquist: “I love that green machine! The CTi is one of the stiffer skis I’ve been on, and the asymmetric build makes it one of the strongest carvers I’ve skied, especially at 86 mm wide. Elan Wildcat 86 CX Skis 2021 $499.99 $600.00. 400. If Bob thinks the Wingman 86 CTI can perform alongside those skis, it’s very impressive. Stable, too! Question: given the asymmetrical shape of the Wingman — how does it work with early weight-shift from downhill big toe edge to uphill little toe edge (which can be quite useful in some circumstances)? While the Ripstick is a perennial favorite among Powder7 staffers, the Wingman slots in perfectly as a more fronside-oriented all-mountain option. I think it’s a bit of an overlap–definitely different styles of skis, but I usually look for 10 mm difference in ski width. 614-848-6600.All Skis are in a package in our store. HI Brett! I’m considering the Wingman 86 CTI, Mindbender 90 Ti, Kendo 88, or the Enforcer 88. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. And if the answer is that it wouldn’t work that well with the Wingman, would it work better on Brahma 82 or V82-Liberty? Is it the 86 only a carver? As the widest ski in the Wingman series, the Wingman 86 CTi is the bridge to the Ripstick collection. Have an enforcer 93, trying to figure out if I’m overlapping because enforcer is a railer, and is wingman too much for skiing with kids and playing around the resort.
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