They are just too sandy for my taste. Any reputable tile contractor will tell you not to use this for anything – ever. Best to find one of the other two. Now that you know that, let’s group them in order according to how they are graded and perform. I’ve never seen nor heard of that, but I will tell you it definitely is not 317 in a different package – that’s BS. Thanks Roger! I've used Kerabond and it's a nice mortar. The Kerabond T link posted says its nonsag. My town (Rosanky) has none. We are now updating the tile so we’ve taken all the old tile and Ditra out. Having read that the Kerabond T is unmodified, not modified, have we already set our project up to fail? As I stated, this list is biased. That’s it. (I answer them in the order received, I don’t see this one until I answer the last). I’m installing a curbless shower with a schluter tray. Masterblend, however, is not one of them in my opinion. So in the groups above it breaks down like this: So there you have it. Thanks for all your help. Ditra-Set: This is the best product with which to set anything over kerdi or ditra – it was specifically manufactured for that purpose. Flip a coin. Nothing in any of the product literature mentions “premium.” I had to get it so thin, saying it would hold the trowel lines was a stretch. Masterblend states that it meets all three – with the addition of admix (liquid latex). like everyone I don’t have a lot of money and this is a big project for me 350 square feet kitchen/laudry/hall and pantry. For example, if a shower is used before the mortar has cured … White. If it does fail the ditra will become unbonded to the plywood and you will end up with a floating tile floor (not bonded to the substrate, but the tile will be bonded to the ditra (locked into it, more accurately). I’m therefore wondering if Laticrete doesn’t consider 317 to be appropriate for large format tile. Slowing … Provided you installed it correctly with proper coverage the unmodified over the slab will be just fine for your tile. It is sag-resistant and ideal for setting tile on both horizontal and vertical surfaces. That is nearly identical to the 317. I love the ALLSET Because you can use it anywhere. The Lowe’s rep said that’s because modified thin set won’t properly adhere to the slab. The uncoupling mortar will work just fine with that tile over both the kerdi and the ditra. I recently started a This problem is compounded for do-it-yourselfers who don’t have nearly the understanding nor material and product access that we do. I’ve been waiting years to do this project and want to make sure I’ve got the right materials.Please take a moment to give your suggestion. I've been using Kerabond T, which is the medium bed unmodified. My local tile shops were out of the 317 and have suggested a product from Texrite called “Floor Mix” (it does meet the standards, but like some of the others on this list, I’m afraid it may not be worth using!). I would check the bond after the thinset cures. Hi! The only really good thing I can say about it – It is an unmodified thinset.*. My photo got rotated somehow but it is on the floor. It’s OK to use an unmodified if you are adhering Kerdi to hardibacker or drywall. If you use Keraset be sure to wait a FULL 24 hours, at least, before the next step. One week later i was able to peel out the Kerdi bands off the kerdi boards. Distant neighbors. Dont buy this for a standard, straight forward tile job. Unmodified can not handle very much, it isn’t flexible at all. Ceramic Tile Advice Forums - John Bridge Ceramic Tile. They are great mortars, but I’m not a great fan. Now, Nelson, why would Brad, who lives in Austin, be buyin' his materials at the Lowe's in Victoria? It works very well for any Schluter product. So that’s how unmodified thinsets are ‘grouped’ or graded – the ratio of those three items in the mix. All modified thinsets meet the criteria set forth for unmodified thinsets as well, that’s why the A118.1 is on there. Is there an official definition of nonsag? These thinsets, as all tile installation products, are put together in specific ratios in order to accomplish what the company wants. This product has a super smooth and creamy texture, making it very easy to work with and spread evenly. Open to suggestions but may try Kerabond T for tile setting over Ditra. Yes. Schluter set is actually the perfect mortar for your application. Is this the case? They make some great products. ... View Details Mapei Keraflor Gray Floor Tile Thin-Set Mortar. I usually get 75-90 minutes max and that’s at highest level of water for tile setting. Click Above to have professional TileTips sent directly to your inbox. I’m one of them. After talking with the owner of the shop, I went with a couple sacks of Schluter SET. It worked great of course. Jaz How would this specification for nonsag be applicable to Kerabond T when used for Kerdi? If you have two tiles next to each other and one has more mortar beneath it, that one will shrink more, causing the tiles to no longer be even once cured. I was slightly misguided/misunderstood after speaking to someone at Lowe’s when asking about modified vs unmodified thin set to install tile. The order of stuff is correct (you actually DO NOT NEED to sand down the tile if using prim-grip, just clean it really well. Do not be surprised if you cannot find one of the quality products easily. A.Sean Gerolimatos, technical services manager for Schluter Systems, responds: With a few exceptions, unmodified thinset mortar is required for setting ceramic and stone tile over Kerdi membranes (800/472-4588, www.schluter.com), as well as for bonding overlapped seams and connections to Kerdi drains. Any thoughts/experience with this product? Can be mixed with MAPEI's Polymer Additive (instead of water) for enhanced performance, and for setting a wider range of tile and stone over additional substrates Schluter SET is an unmodified thin-set. Unless you personally know someone in the chemistry department of the manufacturing plant there is no accurate way to tell. Thanks for the feedback. But, recommended? It’s only been there for maybe 20 hr at this point. Step 2: Know Joist Spacing. I know you would have to see the actual finished product to make any real recommendation but curious what your thoughts are. Enter your measurement as a decimal (1.5) or a fraction (1 1/2). Yep! I checked amazon but at $40+ a bag that didn’t work. We had some exposed plywood and some thinset left on the floor. ... Unmodified mortar to use with uncoupling membranes. Color/Finish Family. Is theirs better? Kerabond T works well. Hopefully the dog doesn’t blow up. Between the ditra and tile always requires unmodified. Look at the ISO standards listed in that linked TDS. do I really need to rip it up? I live near a town that has four stop lights (Bastrop). I believe ANSI A118.4 is for modified thinset. Do you like them? I recently started a kerdi application and used the only unmodified thinset I could find at lowes. Rated 5 out of 5 by RavenWoods from Easy to use with Schluter Kerdi Kerabond is easy to use, nice and smooth, and well regarded for being a premium unmodified thinset. MAPEI will always point you back to Schluter and ask that you follow their thinset recommendations for their products (i.e., modified, non-modified). You gotta like my page. Yes Jaz, I will use it unmodified to kerdi the top of the foam shower tray. It is, and will continue to be, my preferred manufacturer for nearly every tile and stone setting material needed. Schluter thin set is awesome. My local Lowes carries something from MAPEI called “Uncoupling Membrane 50-lb Gray Powder Thinset/Medium Bed Mortar”. I answer them all. I was told by a contractor that for laying the tray down to the plywood floor, it would be better to use a polymer modified thinset over unmodified. I’ve decided to have my privacy violated and start putting things on Facebook. That’s the only issue I have with them, and that’s everything to do with me being a stubborn old bastard rather than a negative for the mortars. this is how they are rated by their respective manufacturers. I decided to use the Schluter systems, and have been using the Laticrete 317 (as you advised!) That mapei product is a good one. And – do I need to apply a liquid membrane if I’m using the kerdi membrane plus the kerdi strips at the seams with thinset? This is for setting tile on top of Schluter products. At only $6 a bag, I thought it couldn’t be right! Any recs on the modified I need to use between the plywood and ditra? I just order mine off of Amazon if my supplier is out it is a little more expensive but I feel confident in it. The tile and Ditra came out with some hard work and power tools. I hope this helps clear up a little bit of confusion about these products and helps you determine which would be appropriate or best for your project. If you used unmodified over plywood it may fail. Wonderboard directly to the studs with kerdi over it – no plastic. It appears to be unmodified thinset based on the labeling. Hey Roger- Nearly any mapei modified will work well, though. Even with shipping the cost was less than I had planned on. The said they read both of the bags I got and thought that was the correct thinset. It is awesome stuff. For most thinsets (as far as I can tell – ancient guarded secret and all…) a powder called ‘hydrated lime’ is used. Really. See – win-win for me. Thank you so much, appreciated! When you search for it on the Lowes website they have neglected to include the word Kerabond as a keyword. Hi! Next her and the neighbor who has done a diy bathroom decided to lay down the ditra with the Unmodified thinset. I submerged the floor under water for 2 weeks hoping it would loosen up, but it has not. Prim-grip is a fabulous product). We have been doing a lot of reading and research on what products to use below and on top of the Ditra but we are just confused. Why not use Schluter’s All-Set? Thanks for the very helpful website. Was night and day difference. Apparently Schluter now makes their own mortar! Pot life of Schluter All Set is very poor in my experience. I really like Kerabond but man if I have a choice Ditra Set is the way to go.It costs more here but it is a great thin set. Mix with water - no additive required. The reemergence (I know – doesn’t even look like a word) of unmodified thinsets came about in November of 2001. It is up to you whether to take that chance or not. Called ditra and they stated it may or may not work. If you find a thinset you are curious about, and it is not on this list, look for that number. If you can get your hands on it, use it. No, you do not need the liquid membrane as well. ... Used it to cover the Schluter screws on the Kerdi board with Kerdi band per instructions. I guess the idea is it holds a thicker trowel notch better? It is the same lime used by brick masons in order to retain water in the cement mix for a longer period of time, thus making the cured product stronger. It’s always best to call the customer service line and ask them directly where you can buy the product you want. Q. Don’t let this confuse you. Brad, have you checked your Lowes for Uncoupling Mortar? Regardless of the order under each heading (Best, Works, etc.) (That’s the word on the street…), Help with all your tile needs (and extreme jackassery! 2 1 4 4 6 7 9a 10 11 13 5 5 12 6 3 8a 6 SHOWER ASSEMBLY — Schluter®-KERDI waterproofing membrane K-SH-K-20 Schluter®-KERDI waterproofing membrane Showers – Ceramic or stone tile SHOWER ASSEMBLY Ceramic or stone tile Schluter SET®, Schluter ALL-SET®, Schluter ®FAST-SET or unmodified thin-set mortar All the cool kids are doin’ it. If you’ve read anything here you know I’m a Laticrete diehard. Dry-Set Mortar-0010025 - The Home Depot Well, there is a blinking light at an intersection not far out of town. As far as the modified, ultraflex 2 is really good. It may work, and it may not work. Really. The key is in a modified vs unmodified thinset. Mapei UltraFlex-1 Gray Mortar Size: 50lb. Another home, another delima. Over the ditra, under the tile, yes, kerabond is correct. If it has A118.1 AND more numbers after that (with no mention of admix) then it is a MODIFIED thinset. I put down porcelain tile in a shower floor using thin set mortor in a bucket that did not have polymers in it by mistake (Recommended by Home Depot employee). But it is tough to fine sometimes for sure. Yes. It is also, in part, due to the type and percentage of whatever retention product is in the mix. Everything I’m reading makes it sound like my results will be disastrous and my tile is going to crack. I trimmed an edge of the existing wall membrane held by the cheap thinset and it came right off even falling off in sections. For use as an unmodified I prefer the 317. There is negligible difference in these thinsets unless an admix is added to make them modified. Modified Thin-set (Ardex and Mapei make great thin-set) Unmodified Thin-set; KERDI-FIX; Caulking Gun; 1/2″ Drill (for mixing thin-set) QEP Super Grout Mixer (for mixing thin-set) Rubber Grout Float; Five Gallon Bucket; Nitrile Gloves; Add Tip Ask Question Comment Download. Thanks. I do a water test tomorrow…. I do not consider this a viable product with which to install tile or stone over Schluter products. It's in a plastic bag so you're good to go if you don't use it for a little while. Need the thickness at 2 doorways. I have used them. Your warranty is not void if you use an unmodified thinset – no matter the brand. ). Should we just pull it off and start over or leave it and hope it gets a good bond? You can always check the respective company’s website to find the nearest supplier. but have run out and still have the floors to do. My son told me all the cool kids are doin’ it! Any idea where this might fit in your ranking above? He suggested either that or their ALL-SET, but that was twice the cost. Is that correct? One last thing – before anyone asks: adding more portland cement to a particular product may or may not make it better. On the consumer side Laticrete products often have a different name – you may be familiar with Laticrete MegaBond. I think it was worse then the keraflor you mention. Menards normally stocks Mapei. You would still be able to peel it off if you tried (you can with any thinset) but you would need to put effort into it, it won’t peel up like a sticker. I used your advice a few years ago on a master bath remodel, and used DitraSet.
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