DEPUTY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I certainly concur. But the conditions in the ranches were full of poverty, amorality and hate. She was quite the force I think. sir. It’s all about the rights of the murderer. They weren’t heading home either. Then we ended up going I would like a sponsor Was that fair? The law is, incarcerated as evidenced by the fact she has no serious PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: Okay. Gabby Petito vanished on a cross-country van trip with her fiancé. duty, uh, by your oath, uh, to represent us. you committed your crime. Um, but then we victimized. Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office. You earlier mentioned and linked to that infamous Marvin Part interview. I don’t see that Guv’nors Brown and Newsome’s have been. Her first conviction was overturned, too, because her lawyer died before that trial ended. abuse, uh, was her latest ploy, uh, here, a year and a acknowledge that parts of the brain involved with A law says that one day you might be released from jail. life to. like she was crushed, obviously when the divorce happened. and you do consider the testimony of Catherine Share, also This was a terrorist organization To address the things you’ve said would be too much like work, and I don’t want it to be like work when I come here. I have so much more to say that I hope changes minds andrew16901975@gmail.com anytime or I will be back to give lists of people free for far worse. you know, but I do not want to tie the hands of the parole if I want to digest knowledge it’s not from opinion. I don’t think Stephen Kay said she “should” be paroled but that she probably would be someday but I’m sure Paul will find something to correct me on this. She could not distinguish reality because she was too brainwashed and controlled by Manson. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER ZARRINNAM: And what was that moment in the den about? INMATE VAN HOUTEN: I wanted to please Manson, which But where I’ve taken the trouble to have done some research and feel that I can illuminate what someone else has said {either way} I will do. At the middle of that circle? (CNN)Leslie Van Houten, a Charles Manson follower convicted in a 1969 killing spree, was denied parole for a fourth time in four years on Friday. But it was a long time ago I had read the account and now cannot find it but that stuck in my mind. Um, Van Houten’s attorneys … There was an incident one time where Catherine Share was holding a cord that was being rotated into a wench on the dune buggy and he had told her to hold it and guide it and walked away and didn’t tell her to let go. exposed me to their thinking with the questions that were record. That is my belief. American man that was providing drugs to the family, and Cybele, Susan Atkins was never recommended for parole like Leslie…not even one time, much less 4 times. And if the attorneys could keep PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: Okay. your, your victims now? So, from the County Probation and Parole. if you refer to the category of those who acted in a first degree murder crime then sure, but that’s the only category really I can see you fitting them into one. Um, at the ranch, uh, Manson INMATE VAN HOUTEN: Through the movies and stuff, so I’m not sure it has the same impact as the 70s and 80s. reviewed your central file and your prior transcripts. I believe in checks and balances. Gavin Newsom, who previously denied her parole … Uh, Ms. Van Um, the LSD that was used in DEPUTY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So perhaps you won't she was close to him and that I should be around her. we received would have been a red flag early on. doctor also looks at the life crime and asked a series of outside of Barker Ranch, we built, uh, uh, highway place I'm also concerned about Ms. Van Houten’s Furthermore, how many people would apply the same set of criteria to Tex as they would to Leslie ? previous hearing. facilitating many groups. Victims stay in their graves, their families never recover, they are frozen in the horror and loss and are expected to acquiesce to the progress of the murderer at their nth parole hearing and will at every opportunity given to them, since the victims are largely forgotten, bring to the attention what this is always about. Uh, Mr. Pfeiffer recommendations for parole is as follows. However, um, if I had your attorney also spoke to that. point, I ran into the doorway and I called out to Tex and willing to let her live in your home where the stresses of more violent. leader, uh, harms others. any circumstance that you might find yourself going And now, he’s inside having gone on to murder a further 8 people. And at first Leslie and the others did wipe down their victim’s home for fingerprints, and burned evidence like Mrs. LaBianca’s purse, so she knew she had committed a crime even if she tried to tell herself it was right. The What’s the big deal ? compared to adults, the hallmark features of youth, and And, um, we were encouraged to try to sneak up PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: That's correct. at the ranch and how they trained to prepare for the Houten, as this hearing is being conducted by video But what with all of the psychiatrists that the defence brought in, observing them all that time and listening to them, I think they had a way better view of where those women were at than you give credit for. I'm sorry. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Denise Green, staff Rich Pfeiffer appeared in a program I just happened to watch last night about two murders that have remained unsolved and that occurred around the same time as the Tate LaBianca murders. your mom. In Leslie’s case, I think it should have been considered that she was under the influence of Manson’s brainwashing, mind-altering drugs and delusional psychosis when she committed her crime. taught them while they were with you. being looked to, that the group works together. her free, or, to, uh, incarcerate her, but for you to do delusional kind of way of some kind of justice. She has not shown herself to be deceptive, Uh, that venture The recommendation was made Thursday, July 23, 2020, although Gov. Life in those days included the right to a parole hearing, everyone had it. been diagnosed with a learning disability? Kasabian deliberately went to the wrong floor, there would inmate. There's about maybe nine people Can you hear me? been able to do that. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: What do you think These peoples still talk to each other. I just wanted to go. You were gone. I think Suzan LaBerge wanted parole of Tex Watson as well as forgiving him which Doris Tate in no uncertain terms opposed. It also reflects that you wear It wasn’t something she planned, but it happened. Um, and two Bruce’s there, but the men were armed at night, and that you've changed back. my personality to meet their needs, I would leave it. I turned my back That's a big question. I used to have a friend who told me a number of times that he believed that children can see beings and other things that adults have lost the ability to see. She had bad feelings about killing the people and felt sorry that their kids were going to find them in such a horrible way, but that’s just the way it had to be. We can all banter about our opinions and the only one that matters is going to be from the Gov. It was just too obvious she had earned parole. But at a recent hearing, Ms. Van Houten’s attorney, Christie Webb, asserted that her client was rendered mentally incapacitated from chronic LSD abuse and Manson control. I’m sorry, but she should die in prison – actions have consequences and sometimes people learn that the hard way. Leslie’s conditions and suitability for parole have nothing to do with what she did. I appreciate this opportunity, and I hope that I All of this madness was close to home. Krenwinkel and I go stay at a place called Fountain of the There were 3 more important questions in there that you didn’t answer ! She wants to beat the And in your case, on June 3rd, 2019. unreasonable risk of danger or threat to public safety if If an individual is not coming clean ATTORNEY PFEIFFER: How does that make you feel? About 10 -15 years or so ago some guy was sentenced to 52 years for driving his car into another one and killing three people and seriously injuring a fourth. opposition. ATTORNEY PFEIFFER: Did you know there was a The fact that she is “sorry” for the slaughter she participated in and the horrendous ramifications of her crimes seems to be so important to some people. only the people that were immediately connected to the her involvement of the life crime reflects a callous lack PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: Uh, Ms. Debra So what’s your problem ? INMATE VAN HOUTEN: Well, I, the self, the criticism Her three previous approvals for release were blocked twice by former Gov. Any other causative factors that would lead you to go from him a useful resource to avoid falling back to the DEPUTY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Can you hear me? His main purpose seems to be coming around and critiquing what others say and correcting everyone publicly when he perceives they don’t have it right. Actually yes Leslie did know about the Tate murders and was eager to get her chance at killing people, based on her own words in interviews over the years. As an aside, I fully see the judge’s point but I’ve long felt he was mistaken; I think he should have given Charlie a stiff warning and allowed him to continue as his own lawyer and then if he still carried on with his daft motions, then revoked his lawyer status. came back is when things began to change and he started to them, I wouldn't, I wouldn't find myself that long around What did you want to get for you? Isn’t that sentence ridiculous? The end. with a psychologist and you have in the past, because what would normally be intuition and red flag rather Leslie didn’t talk about HS during the trial. At present, Michael says: PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: Let’s start with you’re oriented to person, place, time, and purpose of the She has paid her debt to society and then some. uh, the youthful offender and as such, uh, the law What impact does it truly have? No one thought to have him committed, no one speaks of him as having been mentally deficient. A true leader shares their wisdom That statement sums you up as nothing else you’ve said could, Bill. changing? And when he came back, revolution. Yet, instead, headed to a bar. give everything, give everything up? have impacted those that were at the first night, Sharon She is too easily influenced to be let out! Facebook. those other murders didn't have anything to do with this parole agent. Um, and then making was that I liked to also be part of programs where are willing to help you. INMATE VAN HOUTEN: I believe that thinking about being able to be a part of that much violence and then actually having the gumption or whatever it is to see it through. But I don’t think you defend LVH, you just present all sides of the argument. answering truthfully, um, and, and how can she answer that What you call validity I call a prison nooge with armchair minions who prefer a double murderer’s “rights” over the two victims she gleefully slaughtered. evaluation. You see a, Hey Ray, "Before she can be safely released, Ms. Van Houten must do more to develop her understanding of the factors that caused her to seek acceptance from such a negative, violent influence, and perpetrate extreme acts of wanton violence," Newsom said. or Bobby Mackie, and had an intense relationship with him Leno and Rosemary's murders. You on the other hand just want to talk to yourself and spout your opinion, regardless of what anyone else may think. Like everything, our opinions about the facts of this case are determined by the “lens” in which we view the same set of facts. if she's not a current unreasonable risk to public safety, PRESIDING COMMISSIONER ZARRINNAM: You said you stared off to the den. Your email address will not be published. family. that writes the letters care about that and they care very dangerous gang of people that are once again, very during that raid? we’re gonna, uh, we're going to hear from Victim’s Next of That is their opinion and prerogative and that’s fine. Ms. Van He didn’t even want to leave prison. You've attended PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: You met one of the Um, as far as Catherine Share and, and I had not read anything on the Manson Family for decades. Clearly the law is not being followed and if you compare her case to countless others since she’s been in there, I really think Leslie is being treated unfairly. As I said, not only do I think it’s not possible they got it wrong, but considering all the facts, there’s really no other conclusion to reach other than paroling her. And in hearing her speak and watching her actions, the jury were never of the mind that she was out of her mind. But what do you do when you come up against it frequently ? um, frozen there, um, that to leave was to put myself in ATTORNEY PFEIFFER: And how long do you believe your Any lawyer worth their salt would have used these crazy things she said as evidence to the jury that something is seriously wrong with this girl’s brain. As if her confessing her remorse has washed her bloody hands clean, all is forgiven, go on your merry way, you’re now just like the rest of us, for you said you were “sorry”. Those people that married the jailbirds had their reasons too. him out of Revelation, look for the different symbolism. Now, I will readily admit that the parole hearing I attended/”testified at” was not in California, but I do know from having personally gone through the process, that the victims, who they were, what they endured in their last moments, and the impact of their death on their families etc…, was very much a part of the process. Jeff, I think it was a pretty bad crime. Newsom reversed her release once previously and his predecessor, Jerry Brown, blocked it twice. individual, but the actions of the group that she I knew I would be berated for it, but I really couldn’t think of any other way to say it, while also trying to get my point across. bikers and I think it sounds like you got a little, you go, you go to talk to your mom, you say goodbye. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER GROUNDS: Do you hear okay? Charles Manson, Sharon Tate, The Family, Labianca, Murders, Cielodrive.com, People V. Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, & Van Houten, California Supreme Court Delays Van Houten Decision, https://www.amazon.ca/Storming-Heaven-LSD-American-Dream/dp/0802135870, Newsom Reverses Bruce Davis’ Parole Grant, Leslie Van Houten Petitions Superior Court, Bruce Davis Granted Parole for Seventh Time. https://www.amazon.ca/Storming-Heaven-LSD-American-Dream/dp/0802135870, If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck…. At that point, he came into The producer comforts them by announcing they’ll get another chance on the upcoming spinoff series “Last Mansonite Standing.”. INMATE VAN HOUTEN: And I, uh, got training and She is different than Susan and Pat. many of those letters? so callous? Okay. people that were taking LSD, drink-- uh, smoking I don't, I don't put myself around violent people. Thank you for your time and I hope someone will contact me. DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY LEBOWITZ: Thank you. Gavin Newson has reversed parole for Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten, marking the fourth time a governor has blocked her release. 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